Not trying to pick a fight here – just playing devil’s advocate.

In regards to you first point, I would argue that you are mistakenly using the word “liberal” as synonymous with “supporter of the Democratic party”. Very loosely speaking, being liberal is defined as being open minded and forward thinking, and although these connotations have been slightly skewed in today’s political climate, there is a reason that multiple “liberal” parties exist – and that is to cater towards those people who consider themselves liberal but do not align themselves with the Democratic party. In fact, you can consider yourself liberal and pro-life (just look at this link (http://www.democratsforlife.org/).

“Sure”, you say, “but even if that is the case, a liberal would still be beholden to the ideals of government intervention, which I have shown, is contradictory to the Catholic faith”. Here, I will have to disagree with you again. While I personally agree that the agendas of the Democratic Party and most left-wing parties are not the best programs to align our nation with if we hope to spark economic growth, nothing about these ideas is “anti-catholic”. This isn’t a case of “forced interdependency”, as severe economic and social hierarchies continue, and will continue, to exist in even in a truly socialist state. Both in our nation and in largely socialist Europe, individuals still have the ability to make their own future. The quote that you cite refers specifically to the social policy of governments – not to the economic policy – and nothing the current government does places restrictions on social equality. Often cited examples, such as gay marriage, are often just examples of the Catholic Church not getting their way, and the incident being labeled as an attack on religion. Moreover, nothing at the core of Catholic teaching supports these ideas – they are merely the opinions of those in the Church today. While overall a reliable source, it is not without error, and it only takes a few seconds of thinking before Pope John Paul’s willful oversight of child molestation within his church. Don’t confuse true Catholic teachings with the opinions of members of the Church.

On this point I would generally agree with you, but again, you use “liberal” as synonymous with “democratic party”. The Democratic Party supports the controversial contraceptive mandate, but not all liberals. Also, I while this is a great example of the Democratic party violating First Amendment rights, it is, in my opinion, the only good example of this. The Republican Party is a more blatant offender in its crusade against gay rights.

There is no difference. Abortion ends an innocent human beings life. So because somebody believes they should run around shooting innocents, I shouldn't vote for it to be illegal because those are their beliefs? No. Abortion is murder. Every situation. Every case. Abortion isn't a "belief"...it's a sin.

Catholics for choice- I purposefully posed that question that because I had hoped you would respond "Well God wouldn't have done that". You just made my point. We don't know God's plans. We shouldnt as responsible christians, and Catholic play around with Free will and minimize it to, "God understands and he will forgive" Of course he will, but when we take his creation inyo our hands and deem it our choice to decide weather or not it shall thrive, we committ a grave sin against humanity and our own soul. We are created in his image and his liklienss, the utmost respect should be owed to that notion and it should be carried out in how we appraoch societal problems.

@ Mary Kate, I think you missed my point in saying "Also, highly doubt God would choose to put his son into a woman who would abort him..." but that's okay. I was saying that, you can't use the argument "If Mary had an abortion we wouldn't have Jesus!" because it's a scenario that would have never happened. Mary did not sin. She was born free of original sin and lived free of it throughout her life. The thought of an abortion would not have even crossed her mind.

Shocking, I'm pro choice and admitting abortion is a sin, right? In Catholicism, it is indeed a sin because the church teaches us that life begins at conception. I am merely saying that the Catholic belief that life begins at conception should not prevent women as a whole (a majority of whom are not Catholic) from having abortions.

What we can do, however, is hope that women never feel the need to get an abortion. We can work to prevent rape from happening, work to prevent unsafe sex, and work to provide the necessary means to care for a child once it is born. Through this we can prevent abortion...not by making it illegal or calling women who already feel hopeless that they are "whores". I think the truly Catholic thing to do is to show women that there are other options and provide them with hope...not shaming them.

"...you can't force your views onto a country..." These views you are talking about are based upon Biblical truths. What you are really saying is, "there is no absolute truth." That, my friend, is a leap off a cliff into an abyss. I do not think we want to go there.

Freedom of speech! ....you know, unless you aren't a catholic, because catholicism is the only truth and everyone else is wrong....

John Whichard, please. Stop this. I can't even begin to tell you how wrong you are. Like, holy shit. You are getting worse and worse every day....much worse than you were in high school....

Sup faggot. I read your bio. Eliminate all income tax? Really? Are you fucking retarded?

How the fuck did you get into Notre Dame. Oh, thats right. You went on ROTC scholarship and then dropped ROTC. So "american" of you dick wad. Remember Eagle Idol? Yeah? that bullshit because you couldnt play in rock for peace because of the liberal agenda? Yah, this is much worse. Stop this fucking bullshit. I hope I come across you one day, I will fucking crush you and ensure that you have no opportunity to secure a job and move up in the world. So help us god if you actually have any legitimate power. Like, fuck man.

What's it like living near 19th and Grove?